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Wood Burning Stove: Can Neighbour Object?

By: Jeff Durham - Updated: 25 Jun 2020 | comments*Discuss
 
Wood Burning Stove Smoke Control Area

Q.

I have a neighbour who is insisting that we burn coal instead of dry seasoned wood in our stove. He claims that the smoke is getting into his house even though I have been over and could not smell anything. I had the chimney re-lined when we moved in 6 months ago. Where do I stand on this?

(Mr. W.L, 20 November 2008)

A.

The law regarding this would very much depend on if you are living in a Smoke Control Area and if so, whether what you are burning is classed as an authorised fuel.

Back in 1956 and 1968, two separate Clean Air Acts were introduced to tackle the problems of smoke pollution caused by the widespread use of coal for domestic heating and in industrial premises and furnaces. As a result of these Acts, it gave permission to local authorities to designate Smoke Control Areas in which smoke emissions from domestic dwellings were banned.

Today, these Acts as well other associated clean air legislation have been pulled together and redrawn up into the Clean Air Act 1993.

Without knowing where you live and the fact that you have a close neighbour may mean that you are, in fact, living in a Smoke Control Area, unless you are residing in a fairly remote or rural area. If you aren’t subject to a Smoke Control Area, then the same restrictions do not apply, although it’s advisable to Contact Your local Environment Department to establish your legal position. It might also be the case that while you are allowed to burn dry seasoned wood, your stove or flue may not meet the required standards, so you should check that out too.

However, if you are living in a Smoke Control Area, then it is an offence to emit smoke from a chimney as a result of burning any ‘unauthorised fuel’, including wood, and you can only burn specified brands of manufactured ‘smokeless fuels’.

These are fuels which have been stringently tested to demonstrate that they are capable of burning without producing smoke in an open fireplace.

There are also ‘exempt appliances’ whereby the appliance generally has a smoke chamber which burns off the smoke before it reaches the chimney, allowing you to burn traditional coal and wood that would otherwise be banned under normal circumstances in a Smoke Control area, but you need to ensure your stove is one of those which is exempt.

You can visit the UK Smoke Control Areas website and find out if your borough or district council is completely or partially smoked controlled or if there is no smoke control area in place whatsoever. This site will also give you a list of the authorised fuels you’re permitted to use in a Smoke Control Area.

If, on the other hand, you’re unsure whether you live in an area covered by the legislation, then check with the local authority as you can be liable for a fine of up to £1,000 if you are found to be breaking the law.

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How do neighbours of these log burners get noticed. I've tried, Hetas, defra, local and government mp's and all point me into the direction of our council environmental health. Unfortunately they haveno electronic test equipment and are never been around when the problem happens, they finish work at 5pm and the log burner is lit Overnight.this produces the most pollution. I have also bought a meter which at its worst gives a reading of over 45 Pm 2.5, that is bordering on unhealthy air quality. Our neighbour has freshly cut trees delivered regularly, so has a plentiful supply of different types of wood some of which smells foul when burnt. The air in our home can be that bad that it causes breathing issues,burning eyes and coughing.No helpin this covid 19 environment These symptoms are horrible to live with,and I have the greatest of sympathy to those of you who are suffering the same as us, with no help. Reading all the separate posts from around the country, this is clearly a problem that is nationwide,and is not being addressed.
Cleanair - 25-Jun-20 @ 9:41 PM
My neighbours woodburner is so hot that it has cracked my living room wall, we have fixed the wall but it has started to crack again
Cuxy - 12-Jun-20 @ 6:28 PM
We have exactly the same problem which is giving me anxiety to be honest. We have woke this morning at 7am by son who has been to the toilet and the bathroom smells of smoke/fuel from the chimney of a log burner which is installed at window height in my neighbours conservatory. We have contacted council, local mp and to be honest no one is interested/bothered. We now have made the decision to move, but now I'm bothered that we won't be able to sell because anyone with any intelligence will see the monstrosity of the chimney and realise what will plume out of it, I'm sure it will be also devalue the house. Anyway to show how selfish/unintelligent these people with log burners are, the said neighbour has been in hospital with corona virus but yet lights the log burner and also stands over a lit chimenea coughing away! What can you do
Dbruckers - 30-Apr-20 @ 8:13 AM
Thank you very much Baffleditsallowed. I shall try to save up, can't get out much now because of the lockdown (though you could be forgiven for thinking there was no lockdown in my area as so many people around here are just going out and ignoring the advice anwyay, which adds to the stress, but that's another story) so not spending so much money as I normally do when shopping as only go out once a week for essentials. You gave very good information and I have made a note of everything. thank you again.
Rose - 21-Apr-20 @ 2:52 PM
Hi rose. Firstly you are not alone. You get across perfectly well how angry, frustrated and baffled you/we all are that this scourge is allowed into our home. Secondly. Definitely get an air monitor first. I've bought the iq air monitor (swiss made) for £250. It tells you what amount of pm 2.5's are in the air)(it's a small black band on the screen of the monitor) That way, by getting the monitor first (if budget allows)you will at least know where you are. It also tells you how much co2 is building up in your home and advises you , er, cheerily, "when you should open your windows if air outside is clear) The IQ monitor does not, and no other monitorI know of out there in the market, differentiates between what type of smoke is torturing you. Know this though. Cigarette smoke, unpleasant though it is, is far less a threat than woodburning smoke. A cheaper purifier out there than the IQ air should alleviate the worst of the smells, including tobacco smoke, but please remember it is cheaper for a reason.....it clears the big pm10 smelly molecules but not all,if any,of the pm 2.5's. So you have a trade off. If it's the smell of smoke you want to clear from your room a purifier of about £250 should make a vast improvement, but if you want to stop the tiniest, tiniest, ..er...the actually most lethal pm 2.5 particles damaging you, day by day,then you have to pay for a top of the range purifier, and that costs about £900, from a company called Allergy Cosmos. This is a hellish position for anybody on limited means to be put in, and all I can do is shake my head and wring my hands in empathy for you. And hope you can either move home or find the amount you need to deal with this sheer bloody torture we are condemned by our government and local council's to endure.
Baffleditsallowed - 15-Apr-20 @ 3:42 PM
gah! For some reason this site wants to put the words *understanding* and *graphs* all together as one word.I hope you understandwhat I was saying, Anxiety levels running high and then this site not displaying the posts properly,
Rose - 14-Apr-20 @ 2:10 PM
Sorry about the annoying typos in the post below this one,Also some of the words come out in the finished post with no spaces between them, even though there are spaces between every word when I post the comment. ~~~~~~~~~~ Anyhow, the following statement: "I feel the need to explain that no the smell of cannabis is not caused by me, but comes in from my adjoining neighbour, and I never know if I'm beveled or not " should have read "never know if I'm *believed* or not". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And "I'm not that good with understandinggraphs" should of course read: "understandinggraphs.
Rose - 14-Apr-20 @ 2:06 PM
I was interested reading about the air purifier, Baffleditsallowed, sadly can't afford to pay out that much for the monitor and the purifier together, but I suppose it's wise to get both. I would like to start with trying to get an air monitor though, I remember hearing something about an air tester kit or something that Friends of the Earth were offering, I think it was them, not sure, shall have to have a search on that, but I also get bothered by cigarette smoke and the smell of cannabis coming into my home from the adjoining neighbour, who not content with blasting my small residence with loud music and noise, bangingdoors and moving furniture around in middle of night, but smokes like the proverbial chimney, he's a chain smoker and the smell of that seeps into my house through the walls, it irritates the back of my throat, I can't escape from it anywhere in here, I am shut in my bedroom and the back of my throat starts irritating and feel I want to cough, and then when i open the bedroom the smell of cigarette smoke so strong, and all through the back room and in the bathroom, also they have fry ups in the middle of the night often and that comes in here as well. As soon as I come in from outside, at the foot of the stairs, you'd think a smoker lived in my house, and one who smokes weed, and whenever the meter reader , or anyone, has had to come in for any reason, I feel the need to explain that no the smell of cannabis is not caused by me, but comes in from my adjoining neighbour, and I never know if I'm beveled or not as they might think that I would say that, knowing they can smell it, and it niggles at me that they might not believe me and think it's me smoking the place out. Anyhow, sorry digressing all round the houses here, would you think it a good idea to just get the air monitor first if i can find one? I'm not that good with understandinggraphs and readings and whatever the results might say, Would it tell me what any air pollution was in here, I mean what was causing it, and whether wood smoke or cigarette smoke?Would it be able to tell the difference and let me know howmuch was wood burner smoke particles and how much cigarette smoke, or weed smoke , participles in the air in here? Thanks for your time, if you read this, and sorry I don't feel I'm that good at explaining myself.
Rose - 14-Apr-20 @ 1:57 PM
Like the waterbombing suggestion. Where I am at I am thinking of spreading cow dung in the garden to see how my neighbour feels
Sas - 13-Apr-20 @ 5:53 PM
My neighbour had a log burner installed last Autumn.The smell drops directly in to our garden. Just walking from the car into the house makes my hair / clothes stink.I'm at an age where I get hot flushes.I was unable to open my windows over the winter for the smell.Now, at a time when we are not allowed to leave the house due to Coronavirus, I am unable to use the garden for the fumes bother my chest.It's hot weather! Why do they need the log burner on? I live in a village in Nottinghamshire.All the urban areas are smoke control areas,yet our pretty large village 'in the country' (where you would expect to have clean air) is not.We don't feel able to approach our neighbours as we've already had a fall out over them wanting to store their logs on our land! They have never been considerate towards us.We're just expected to put up with this.It's good to have somewhere to vent my frustration.Just a shame nothing can be done about it.
Sadgirl - 8-Apr-20 @ 6:35 AM
Lee Get an air purifier you won't regret it. A good one. See my post below.
Baffleditsallowed - 5-Apr-20 @ 12:15 PM
Really fed up with woodbuners, we have had to move 3 times in the last 2 yeas due to these things, my child has asthma and difficulty with the fumes coming into the house, we have to close our windows now at 4pm every night as our neighbour lights his up then. Though even with the windows closed it still seeps in. It's not even cold outside I just don't understand how these things are legal... Contacting the council seems to do nothing either..
Lee - 4-Apr-20 @ 6:24 PM
Why don't we all retaliate and simply pour water down the offending neighbours' flues, if we have access?I know we would be found responsible for damage to their property (aaah, I'm welling up here...), but atleast it would highlight the problem and possibly compel the government to ban woodburners.We could organise a national day of water bombing and could give it some fancy name, such as "Aquavenge" or "H2O to the rescue".I'm quite long in the tooth now, so am prepared to take desperate measures.Any views on this?
waterwillsortit - 4-Apr-20 @ 11:53 AM
All winter I have been choking on fumes from my next-door neighbour's illegally installed wood burner.Both the police and Bury council's environmental health team are shockingly inept and ineffectual (my neighbour refuses to let anyone into his property, so his denials cannot be verified).This is Kafkaesque!
waterwillsortit - 1-Apr-20 @ 10:57 AM
Had to laugh last night at 8' o'clock at my neighbours out clapping our nhs workers while from their roofs billowed toxic plumes over the neighbourhood from their wood burners. The same smoke that has thousands of copd sufferers lying on hospital beds using ventilators that otherwise could be used for corona victims.why don't our politicians see this.and ban woodburners and coal smoke producers in the same way they very sensibly stop individuals harming others today by congregating in groups.
Baffleditsallowed - 27-Mar-20 @ 9:38 AM
Having to stay indoors so much now, and the smoke from the chimney opposite billows everywhere, I still have to go out to get shopping and also get provisions for my elderly friend. His adjoining neighbours are stinking everything out with their wood burner, just opening the front door to put rubbish in the bin and you start coughing from the smell, and i come home with the smell of it in my hair, then have to walk through the smoke from the house opposite me, and the smell of the smoke which also comes into my house, makes me cough, and then i worry because i'm coughing, not least because i'm afraid people will hear me coughing and think i have the dreaded plague. I don;t know why China is not being held accountable for this. Their cruel treatment of live animals, keeping so many different species in small crates all waiting to be killed,species that would normally in nature, never come into contact with one another, that is apparently what has caused this mutated virus, but that is another story. If only people had stayed put when it first broke out and let the Chinese authorities deal with it, as they were advised to do by the government, but no, they had to demand to be brought back over here, and elsewhere in the world, so spreading it everywhere, and so the wood burning stove issue applies to this as well, in that it makes people cough and mucks up their bronchial tubes and air passages and so makes them more susceptible to infection as a result.
Rose - 26-Mar-20 @ 12:14 PM
Clive, you're right. Mustn't turn this into an urban v rural thing. I live in a detached suburban house in a seaside town in Scotland and my retirement is diminished due to woodburning neighbours. One has one in his hut and two in his house! The other 8 neighbours have thoughtfully only decided to torment me with one each. If I were you Clive I would mitigate your current plight as I have done and fork out £250 for an IQ air monitor, and another £900 for an iq air health pro plus air purifier. I got mine from Allergy Cosmos. Cheaper purifiers don't cut it as they only clean the air to 0.3 micrograms, you need to cut it down to 0.003 . You can gauge the indoor pollution from your neighbour with the air monitor, and this will tell you what speed to put your purifier onto, and run it at low during the night. You need both, or you will use your purifier filter unnecessarily. This will help your health and your sanity. The government have "boldly" decided to help the health of it citizens by bringing in regulation to ensure cleaner smoke. I know, they're having a laugh. Regulating wood smoke stoves will have the same effect on health as the bright wheeze of putting filter tips on cigarettes in the name of safety. Sometime, for god's sake surely, some politician will have an epiphany and legislate this scourge from our air.
Baffleditsallowed - 22-Mar-20 @ 2:08 PM
I feel for all those suffering here, and I speak as the owner of a (seldom used) wood burner...I live in a rural area with poor air quality and it is wrong to assume this is an urban problem, it is quite the reverse.Apart from all the wet wood being burned in the village, a new tenant moved in next door two years ago and has been burning, quite legally, the most toxic coal I haver ever smelt in an open fire place. It starts in the morning and continues all day every day,regardless of need...The smoke cascades down from the chimney and air currents funnel this into a toxic blanket that surrounds my home.In damp weather it forms a dense smog....The landlord regards this as romantic, she grew up in the 1950s and has clearly forgotten the death and misery caused by the indiscrimate burning of coal...The EHO has been equivocal at best. Because she is claiming the fire to be primary heating I don't think any action will be taken, even though that was not previously the case...I have always been a fit and healthy outdoor person (which is why I moved here) but I have learned to my cost that any time spent outdoors is going to cause me days or weeks of breathing difficulties and I am afraid the damage has now become permanent...Be warned that an absence of smell does not guarantee clean air and that the wind will not disperse all of the toxins...I am writing this as we head into the coronavirus outbreak and I am frankly afraid for my life
Clive - 18-Mar-20 @ 4:06 PM
I feel for all those suffering here, and I speak as the owner of a (seldom used) wood burner...I live in a rural area with poor air quality and it is wrong to assume this is an urban problem, it is quite the reverse.Apart from all the wet wood being burned in the village, a new tenant moved in next door two years ago and has been burning, quite legally, the most toxic coal I haver ever smelt in an open fire place. It starts in the morning and continues all day every day,regardless of need...The smoke cascades down from the chimney and air currents funnel this into a toxic blanket that surrounds my home.In damp weather it forms a dense smog....The landlord regards this as romantic, she grew up in the 1950s and has clearly forgotten the death and misery caused by the indiscrimate burning of coal...The EHO has been equivocal at best. Because she is claiming the fire to be primary heating I don't think any action will be taken, even though that was not previously the case...I have always been a fit and healthy outdoor person (which is why I moved here) but I have learned to my cost that any time spent outdoors is going to cause me days or weeks of breathing difficulties and I am afraid the damage has now become permanent...Be warned that an absence of smell does not guarantee clean air and that the wind will not disperse all of the toxins...I am writing this as we head into the coronavirus outbreak and I am frankly afraid for my life
Clive - 18-Mar-20 @ 4:04 PM
I feel for all those suffering here, and I speak as the owner of a (seldom used) wood burner...I live in a rural area with poor air quality and it is wrong to assume this is an urban problem, it is quite the reverse.Apart from all the wet wood being burned in the village, a new tenant moved in next door two years ago and has been burning, quite legally, the most toxic coal I haver ever smelt in an open fire place. It starts in the morning and continues all day every day,regardless of need...The smoke cascades down from the chimney and air currents funnel this into a toxic blanket that surrounds my home.In damp weather it forms a dense smog....The landlord regards this as romantic, she grew up in the 1950s and has clearly forgotten the death and misery caused by the indiscrimate burning of coal...The EHO has been equivocal at best. Because she is claiming the fire to be primary heating I don't think any action will be taken, even though that was not previously the case...I have always been a fit and healthy outdoor person (which is why I moved here) but I have learned to my cost that any time spent outdoors is going to cause me days or weeks of breathing difficulties and I am afraid the damage has now become permanent...Be warned that an absence of smell does not guarantee clean air and that the wind will not disperse all of the toxins...I am writing this as we head into the coronavirus outbreak and I am frankly afraid for my life
Clive - 18-Mar-20 @ 3:54 PM
Hope idiots with their wood burners will spare a thought for coronavirus sufferers restricted to homeand having to cope with smoke poison billowing all around their house. Oh the humanity....
Baffleditsallowed - 15-Mar-20 @ 10:22 AM
Further to my comment just now, I want to add I wish the people overseeing this site could put back the comments on this thread that go back years. l I recall first commenting here about ten years ago, if not longer and it would be interesting to see some of those earlier comments now. On radio four tonight it has mentioned that there are to be restrictions on what is allowed to be put into wood burners, but how are they going to implement that?And quite honestly, I can't see the people responsible in my area from taking any notice, nothing much is going to stop them from doing what they want, they are very aggressive people, in fact all the people in my area with wood burners are not at all the middle class variety that people here have complained of, but very lower class and ready to take on anyone who dares to complain about anything they do,it isn[t just their wood burners , it is the noise they make as well, but that is another matter! I am not a killjoy, as I said before, it looks nice to see smoke gently weaving its way upwards on a calm day but quite often it is windy and it blows everywhere, and when the wind is in a particular direction, the smoke opposite blows across to me in thick waves , it blows out across the road and vehicles driving through dense smoke and if it was a bonfire causing that amount of smoke, the local authority would soon do something, but I have been treated with contempt whenever I have complained about chimneys from houses.
Rose - 21-Feb-20 @ 6:04 PM
Thank goodness something is being done, at last!Tho this has taken years, too many years.At one time, the only houses polluting with smoke in my area were the house immediately opposite me and the house joined onto my friend's house. I couldn't believe how unlucky I was to have to endure it fromboth places where I spend all my time. Now you can't walk anywhere in my area without having to breathe in smoke from chimneys in practically every road.I used to have to hold something over my nose when leaving my house and then when nearing my friend's house, now I have to hold something over my nose every few steps along the route to there as I have no transport and have to walk, my chest is bad from the constant breathing of smoke, my hair stinks of it when I lay down at night, and i often smell like I have been tending a bonfire or am a heavy smoker. Horrible. It looks nice to see smoke calmly and gently waving upwards from a chimney but sadly my health can no longer cope with having to breath it in. It looks nice to see a warm fire inside a home, but there is so much damage caused by it and now it must stop. The local environmental health dept has never wanted to know when I have had to complain in the past, but perhaps now they will take it more seriously. Tho I won't hold my breath on that, given their response to me in the past. The chimney opposite me is on the side of their house and far too low, lower than my bedroom window and the smoke comes straight across to me, I can smell it in my house. and at my friend's house any washing on the line comes in stinking of smoke from his adjoining neighbours, the woman responsible I have heard more than once boasting to the neighbours on the other side about her wood burning stove and how 'posh' she thinks they are, which is laughable as they are the most non posh people you could imagine, being rough and loud mouthed. Plus these particular people don't just burn usual logs in their stove, but anything they can get their hands on, broken up furniture with all the resultant fumes from the paint and metal parts etc, not to mention the branches from trees cut down, again damaging the environment by cutting down trees. The people opposite me, are also chopping wood at all hours and using chainsaws. also sell logs in the local shop to encourage even more people to use wood for fuel. Like someone else mentioned, the selfishness, arrogance and ignorance ofmany of these peopleis vile in the extreme. I don't think any new law is going to do much unless the things can be outlawed altogether or at least have their use very much restricted and so much damage has been caused already by having to breathe in the smoke for years.
Rose - 21-Feb-20 @ 5:36 PM
Can you object to wood smoke smell getting into your house YES but you cannot do anything about it because if someone has an excempted stove Defra approved it's legal. That means you are stuffed. The local authority jump through the hoops and give you these answer above and if you are asthmatic and have bad lungs they will not help you saying you are of poor health and basically you don't have a right to clean air as you are already ill.which seems wrong. So the only way to stop air pollution outside is to pass another law to stop stoves from producing smell or smoke and burning coal of any type.
Goback98 - 28-Dec-19 @ 11:01 AM
I can go back all the way to 2017 and find comments pointing out quite clearly why these bloody things are a health hazard. The particles they pump in to the air are worse than being exposed to 18 diesel cars simultaneously per hour, it makes me sick that painfully middle class idiots are using these on the grid because they want to look at something they can describe as 'comfy'. It's particularly grating because I'm having this crap blown in to my lungs my families lungs and our children. There are many children on my street, we aren't the only family. I'm sick of other people's stupidity affecting their health, it goes beyond selfness and enters a realm of hyper individuality that churns my stomach. There's no care or thought for anyone else, no basic, decent, common sense just "me me me" god I hope something can be done soon.
Iwan - 24-Dec-19 @ 6:40 PM
It is utter rubbish to say that any wood burning stoves are safe to use - even the so called defra approved ones emit smoke - lots of it - and it causes a health hazard to neighbours.Why do you think central heating was invented as an improvement? It is a sensible way to heat your house without annoying your neighbours and putting their asthmatic children in hospital just because you are a selfish idiot!
mills - 3-Nov-19 @ 7:31 PM
We have new neighbours. They have just had a wood burner installed. When the wind blows from the west, fumes from their flue terminal are blowing into our flue terminal which is 150 mm from theirs and on exactly the same level. I am just aware of what is emittedby a wood burner. SCARY.I amean not on good terms with this new neighbour but hewill have to overcome the problem of his making.
Bricky - 1-Nov-19 @ 10:06 PM
Where do you stand? Unfortunately under the wheels of a steamroller called the zeitgeist. Today, and I shake my head as I write this, pollution equals urban chic in the minds of trendies who buy these abominations. It is their freedom, they assert, like they are some kind of mountain self sufficient recluse,to do whatever they want in their own house. Whereas in my house, in my garden, through my vents seeps their toxic lifestyle choice into MYspace. I do not want their smoke in my house, my garden, my life. If I want to have a shower I have to scan the rooftops nearby to see if the air is clean enough for me to open my windows to let the steam out. We now eat our main meal at 3.00 clock in the afternoon (being retired) to let our cooking smells out the window as come 5 o'clock the air is black or brown with suburbies returning home from work and lighting up their wood burners. Where do you stand? Unprotected, sidelined, ignored by your environmental health department who declare"woodburning and coal burning are a normal part of domestic living" That is a direct quote from a local council email to me in response to my complaint to them about this outrage. Watch any news bulletin about air quality and you get plenty about cars, or power stations, but very little about people living cheek by jowl with monstrous levels of particulate matter (called pm 2.5's) from coal or wood domestic fires.MOO The pollution from your neighbours is super concentrated(unlike road traffic which is often dissipated,or sporadic, depending on the road you live on) andfor the life of me I cannot understand where all those people have went that pressurised the government into banning smoking in public places. Passive cigarette smoking is a nuisance, potentially dangerous, but inhaling woodburning smoke is a life shortening certainty. That's where you stand. Where I stand. Flabbergasted.
Baffleditsallowed - 8-Oct-19 @ 9:59 PM
My neighbour installed a wood burner,last year.We live in a rural area,the smoke and dust sometimes comes in my son's window,where do I stand with this problem
169 - 5-Oct-19 @ 7:05 PM
our neighbour has built a wooden gypsy like caravan in his back garden, that hes calling his man cave, It over shadows our garden (as its raised off the ground)but has no windows pointing our direction so its fine, The family regularly has late night parties, although in their fifties, but we have had to live with that and advise them early in the morning that they need to keep the noise down a bit, typical heavy drinkers who do not understand the noise they create. The Gypsy caravan this week has had a chimney/flu added to it, so suspecting a wood burning stove has been installed and when fired up last night filled (Was a nice evening so house windows open) filled the house with wood burnt fumes, filled our garage with fumes, next door neighbours with fumes and behind our houses their is a 2 storey block of retirement flats who would have had the same The chimney/flu is around 13m from the row of houses and around the same distance from the council maintained retirement flats behind but is only around 3.5m high with a flat top flu which just pushed all the smoke out sideways and down into the gardens below, Can anyone advise if this needs to be higher so as not to get into the 2 storey buildings all around this Rgds Smokey Joe
Smoked out Garden - 31-Mar-19 @ 7:14 PM
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