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Wood Burning Stove: Can Neighbour Object?

By: Jeff Durham - Updated: 9 Oct 2017 | comments*Discuss
 
Wood Burning Stove Smoke Control Area

Q.

I have a neighbour who is insisting that we burn coal instead of dry seasoned wood in our stove. He claims that the smoke is getting into his house even though I have been over and could not smell anything. I had the chimney re-lined when we moved in 6 months ago. Where do I stand on this?

(Mr. W.L, 20 November 2008)

A.

The law regarding this would very much depend on if you are living in a Smoke Control Area and if so, whether what you are burning is classed as an authorised fuel.

Back in 1956 and 1968, two separate Clean Air Acts were introduced to tackle the problems of smoke pollution caused by the widespread use of coal for domestic heating and in industrial premises and furnaces. As a result of these Acts, it gave permission to local authorities to designate Smoke Control Areas in which smoke emissions from domestic dwellings were banned.

Today, these Acts as well other associated clean air legislation have been pulled together and redrawn up into the Clean Air Act 1993.

Without knowing where you live and the fact that you have a close neighbour may mean that you are, in fact, living in a Smoke Control Area, unless you are residing in a fairly remote or rural area. If you aren’t subject to a Smoke Control Area, then the same restrictions do not apply, although it’s advisable to Contact Your local Environment Department to establish your legal position. It might also be the case that while you are allowed to burn dry seasoned wood, your stove or flue may not meet the required standards, so you should check that out too.

However, if you are living in a Smoke Control Area, then it is an offence to emit smoke from a chimney as a result of burning any ‘unauthorised fuel’, including wood, and you can only burn specified brands of manufactured ‘smokeless fuels’.

These are fuels which have been stringently tested to demonstrate that they are capable of burning without producing smoke in an open fireplace.

There are also ‘exempt appliances’ whereby the appliance generally has a smoke chamber which burns off the smoke before it reaches the chimney, allowing you to burn traditional coal and wood that would otherwise be banned under normal circumstances in a Smoke Control area, but you need to ensure your stove is one of those which is exempt.

You can visit the UK Smoke Control Areas website and find out if your borough or district council is completely or partially smoked controlled or if there is no smoke control area in place whatsoever. This site will also give you a list of the authorised fuels you’re permitted to use in a Smoke Control Area.

If, on the other hand, you’re unsure whether you live in an area covered by the legislation, then check with the local authority as you can be liable for a fine of up to £1,000 if you are found to be breaking the law.

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Sadique khan mayor of London seems to have started the be!l rolling by calling for wood burning in cities and towns to be curtailed. There are caveats that weaken this welcome initiative such as applying ban to areas that suffer pollution the worst. Asking woodburners to please pretty please consider that what they are doing to their neighbours might be harmful. Asking this from mutters who installed these contraptions in the first place. Whit! Seems Mr. Khan has to "in all fairness" consider the feelings of those poor darlings who went out and bought these devices ....now wait for this..now you will titter.....titter bitterly."..IN GOOD FAITH." Heh heh .....seems these people were conned into buying them as the salesmen who sold them wood burning stoves must havetold them that wood burning stoves were good for the environment. Wood's natural right?However before I finally give up and take a long loknely walk in my pyjama's into an oncoming tide this does at least show someone somewhere with political connections has heard a penny drop. Write to Mr. Khan , or post him a log etched in charcoal two words...."no compromise"
Baffleditsallowed - 9-Oct-17 @ 9:55 PM
Autumn again and neighbours stove goes on. It is lit early in the day and the metal chimney is right next to my home. We are both in bungalows so the chimney is low down. I cannot open the doors to go to the garden. The smell is acrid.I feel I may have to move house as I don't think I can put up with it anymore.
So upset - 2-Oct-17 @ 10:08 PM
Hi, I too have been experiencing a situation with a neighbour. Their mill is attached to the one I live. In Dec 2016 the said chimney was installed through the night with no prior notice, and just appeared - happy xmas (it's too short and too close to my office window/ flat) and is penetrating my apartment (all rooms) with obnoxious smoke/smells at all hours regardless of what season ever since... I've had carbon monoxide tests at the doctors and due for another... The smoke smell has awoke me whilst asleep in bed approx around 5 am. Unfortunately it is affecting me/ my neighbours in the mill but me directly as i am level to the chimney. The smoke's stench reaches me when windows /doors are shut. It's a living nightmare! The council have tried helping (if you can call it that) by sending letters/calling at the property but the owner seems to think he is DEFRA approved/burning the correct fuels (btw he is an artist and works with MDF). To date we have not seen any such documents. I get that people are trying to keep warm but at their neighbour's mental and physical health?? In the light of recent deaths caused by carbon monoxide on tv, you would think that these issues and complaints would be a priority to the local councils?! I am currently waiting for my council's concluded report before taking this to a solicitor. No one really knows what kind of ill health this brings unless you are the person it is happening to.
Stressed out - 17-Sep-17 @ 12:11 PM
Hi there. This was not a problem I was aware of until recently when our new neighbours installed a log burner in their sitting room. Our life has changed horribly :( It's summer, but all windows must be closed in our house, even after showering 3 kids we can't open the bathroom window. Our vents, are all letting in this stinky smoke. Just dashing out to our car on the drive to grab something means returning into our house stinking of this acrid smoke. I can't hang my washing out, my hair smells of smoke. We love our home & street & have been so happy here. It's our forever home. But it on swift move, our new neighbours have changed everything for us? Our house is much higher than theirs & their chimney is very very close to our house due to past extensions to the boundary lines. Everything smells awful & we can't sit in our garden or have our conservatory /back doors open. We live in a smoke free area, and this seems like such a backwards move for our environment. Tons of black smoke, that stinks. What is stopping people from burning anything they want? Our neighbour is a tradesman so I imagine he has access to plenty of things that burn, at my expense:( So upset. Our life has changed!!
Coffeelover - 26-Aug-17 @ 12:06 PM
Hi there. This was not a problem I was aware of until recently when our new neighbours installed a log burner in their sitting room. Our life has changed horribly :( It's summer, but all windows must be closed in our house, even after showering 3 kids we can't open the bathroom window. Our vents, are all letting in this stinky smoke. Just dashing out to our car on the drive to grab something means returning into our house stinking of this acrid smoke. I can't hang my washing out, my hair smells of smoke. We love our home & street & have been so happy here. It's our forever home. But it on swift move, our new neighbours have changed everything for us? Our house is much higher than theirs & their chimney is very very close to our house due to past extensions to the boundary lines. Everything smells awful & we can't sit in our garden or have our conservatory /back doors open. We live in a smoke free area, and this seems like such a backwards move for our environment. Tons of black smoke, that stinks. What is stopping people from burning anything they want? Our neighbour is a tradesman so I imagine he has access to plenty of things that burn, at my expense:( So upset. Our life has changed!!
Coffeelover - 25-Aug-17 @ 6:32 PM
Hi there. This was not a problem I was aware of until recently when our new neighbours installed a log burner in their sitting room. Our life has changed horribly :( It's summer, but all windows must be closed in our house, even after showering 3 kids we can't open the bathroom window. Our vents, are all letting in this stinky smoke. Just dashing out to our car on the drive to grab something means returning into our house stinking of this acrid smoke. I can't hang my washing out, my hair smells of smoke. We love our home & street & have been so happy here. It's our forever home. But it on swift move, our new neighbours have changed everything for us? Our house is much higher than theirs & their chimney is very very close to our house due to past extensions to the boundary lines. Everything smells awful & we can't sit in our garden or have our conservatory /back doors open. We live in a smoke free area, and this seems like such a backwards move for our environment. Tons of black smoke, that stinks. What is stopping people from burning anything they want? Our neighbour is a tradesman so I imagine he has access to plenty of things that burn, at my expense:( So upset. Our life has changed!!
Coffeelover - 25-Aug-17 @ 12:01 PM
Hi there. This was not a problem I was aware of until recently when our new neighbours installed a log burner in their sitting room. Our life has changed horribly :( It's summer, but all windows must be closed in our house, even after showering 3 kids we can't open the bathroom window. Our vents, are all letting in this stinky smoke. Just dashing out to our car on the drive to grab something means returning into our house stinking of this acrid smoke. I can't hang my washing out, my hair smells of smoke. We love our home & street & have been so happy here. It's our forever home. But it on swift move, our new neighbours have changed everything for us? Our house is much higher than theirs & their chimney is very very close to our house due to past extensions to the boundary lines. Everything smells awful & we can't sit in our garden or have our conservatory /back doors open. We live in a smoke free area, and this seems like such a backwards move for our environment. Tons of black smoke, that stinks. What is stopping people from burning anything they want? Our neighbour is a tradesman so I imagine he has access to plenty of things that burn, at my expense:( So upset. Our life has changed!!
Coffeelover - 25-Aug-17 @ 12:01 PM
Hi there. This was not a problem I was aware of until recently when our new neighbours installed a log burner in their sitting room. Our life has changed horribly :( It's summer, but all windows must be closed in our house, even after showering 3 kids we can't open the bathroom window. Our vents, are all letting in this stinky smoke. Just dashing out to our car on the drive to grab something means returning into our house stinking of this acrid smoke. I can't hang my washing out, my hair smells of smoke. We love our home & street & have been so happy here. It's our forever home. But it on swift move, our new neighbours have changed everything for us? Our house is much higher than theirs & their chimney is very very close to our house due to past extensions to the boundary lines. Everything smells awful & we can't sit in our garden or have our conservatory /back doors open. We live in a smoke free area, and this seems like such a backwards move for our environment. Tons of black smoke, that stinks. What is stopping people from burning anything they want? Our neighbour is a tradesman so I imagine he has access to plenty of things that burn, at my expense:( So upset. Our life has changed!!
Coffeelover - 25-Aug-17 @ 11:20 AM
I am wondering why we are moving towards smoke and wood burning for heating and pleasure and convenience when we had tried to eliminate this decades ago.i thought we were trying to save the environment! Why are we ignoring the pollution and damage it can cause to others - I am speaking from firsthand experience and I am shocked how the authority's and government are overlooking this just like they did with diesel. It has got worse to the point I am being exposed everyday to smoke coming into the house and it's getting out of control. Hopefully one day they will hurry up and catch on
fed up - 3-Jul-17 @ 5:26 PM
As it looks to me like a giant government cover up. The government hardly mentioned wood burning stoves in there report. London is turning into the way it was in the 1960s. They have focused on Diesel vehicles as 55% of the problem,35% to boilers and 10% to wood burning stoves. As I've seen forehand wood burning stoves has to be higher than 10% as the dodgy legislation that governs these powerful devices. I would suggest 75% of owners are brain dead, history is there to learn from. London has higher readings than China for emissions, SCARY.
J - 1-Jun-17 @ 4:37 PM
The reason we suffered is North Tyneside Council and Hetas let my Neighbour get a Defra approved stove, now he burns anything he can find in it. SCARY..
J - 28-May-17 @ 8:52 AM
Multi fuel stoves and wood burning stoves are a nightmare. We have suffered since 2015 and North Tyneside Council do nothing. It is scary how the council close a blind eye to this problem. Smoke free zone should mean smoke free zone, however they see smoke produced but do nothing. They say authorised fuel can be used such as blaze. However this smokeless fuel produces vast amounts of smoke. There should be product recall. There is another way you can fight this is restrictive covenants. These are in the deeds to there property and separate from building regulations. There may be something in there about building or altering your property and has created LOSE OF AMMENITIES to someone else. As long as you can prove it, you have a case. However Restrictive covenants should stand for the past 50 year to stand any legal hold any deeds pre war are hard to uphold...... IM HOLDING GOVERNMENT PETITION IN JULY...... I NEED 10'000 signatures. I will need everyone................
J - 28-May-17 @ 8:48 AM
We live in a council house & we run a log burner,, & have for 10 yrs. our local council gas inspector, has told us that, this time next year,, All log burners / multi fuel stoves... will not be allowed in any council owned property And be told they have to be removed.. Leeds city council... Good news for some / bad for others...
sie - 8-May-17 @ 5:14 PM
So here we are, 7th May today and as I sit here typing this I can look out of my bedroom window and the view opposite is obscured by thick clouds of white smoke coming from the too low chimney on the side of the house directly opposite me. Wind blowing the thick smoke everywhere. Why should I have to walk out into a thick cloud of smoke? Why should I have to come home at night and go to bed stinking of smoke? Why should I have to walk along in a haze of swirling smoke coughing and trying not to breathe too deeply because of how it affects me?The government has had to publish a report on air pollution but it seems they are focusing mainly on diesel. I have contacted both Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth about this very issue as they too have mentioned the scourge of wood burning stoves, or coal fires.People affected, NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER GIVE IN.Don't allow yourself to be bullied by the selfish people who don't care how they harm others with their polluting smoke. WE ALL HAVE TO KEEP WARM IN THE WINTER! But some of us choose to use less polluting ways to do it, and by plugging in an oil filled radiator which cycles on and off, it is effective and not doing any harm to anyone else! This scourge will only continue as long as no one does anything, we have to make our voices heard by the people who count or nothing will change and we will go on suffering because of this.
Rose - 7-May-17 @ 7:59 PM
Dear all, Just to add on the previous post I’m not blaming of defending anyone but the answer everyone Is looking for I cannot provide. Please read and understand Human Knowledge. The control of fire by early humans was a turning point in the cultural aspect of human evolution. Fire provided a source of warmth, protection, and a method for cooking food. These cultural advancements allowed for human geographic dispersal, cultural innovations, and changes to diet and behaviour. Additionally, creating fire allowed the expansion of human activity to proceed into the dark and colder hours of the night. Stone tools found at Wonderwerk Cave indicate the ancestor in question may have beenHomo erectus, a species whose existence has been documented as far back as 1.8 million years ago. Establishing precisely when humans first acquired the ability to control fire. Kind Regards, S Ladha.
54NJ4Y - 6-Apr-17 @ 11:29 PM
Dear all, It is really very hard to assess this symptom and I'm afraid I cannot give you a straightforward answer. Just for some ideas, symptoms like this can reflect a problem with the olfactory bulbs and the frontal lobe of the brain which is responsible for the perception of smell and odour.Some would liken the situation to an 'olfactory seizure' which is transient but recurring. It is best that patient be evaluated by their primary physician or a neurologist since the assessment will also lie on a physical and neurologic evaluation.If the patient’s doctors would find reasonable doubt to suspect any problems with the brain, imaging studies such as MRI or CT scan may be requested. Please don’t be offended. Kind Regards, S Ladha.
54NJ4Y - 6-Apr-17 @ 11:09 PM
My neighbour has an exempt log burner the flue is opposite my back door it smokes badly the stink is horrible. We can't enjoy our garden the smell is sickening, I have lung problems and use a breathing machine, also asthmatic, I suffer bad coughing bouts because of this , my wife has had a stroke her eyesight is poor she is very stressed. Smoke gets into our bungalow via air vents into our kitchen and living room! And when we open a window or door, today the weather is very nice 4pm it is hell we go in shut everything up , I am having more medical treatment because of this filth burning my lungs. The council don't care won't do anything, spoke really nice to this guy explaining the problems we are having could you please please stop the smoke His reply he does not care!!!!! I want to use my fire and will! We live in a smoke controlled area too.WE are 70 years old always have been there to help others,So to the individual that says its just log fire haters how would you feel.??? Tomorrow I am going to seal up all the vents in our home with tape also all the soffit vents also seal up all the window edges maybe we can get some peace from this nasty person!. And stop this filthy stink.Hope you other folk with this problem can find a way out we can't see one........ happy days.
fourwheeler - 27-Mar-17 @ 8:13 PM
Justice- Your Question:
I added a valuable comment to confront the sadistic taunts of a shameless air polluter, but it has been unfairly removed. I see the site alows vulgar comments by this wicked mocker under the name Smoking

Our Response:
We haven't removed any posts as far as we are aware. The only time we remove posts are if theyinclude actual names or profanities.
ProblemNeighbours - 16-Mar-17 @ 11:16 AM
I added a valuable comment to confront the sadistic taunts of a shameless air polluter,but it has been unfairly removed. I see the site alows vulgar comments by this wicked mocker under the name Smoking
Justice - 14-Mar-17 @ 10:36 AM
I love that people are hating the fire's Just people trying to keep warm an you lot are trying to find ways in stopping them how f.. ked up are you Just wait an see what your burning when the oil an gas is gone hater's
Smoking - 27-Feb-17 @ 10:04 PM
Next door's wood burning stove has a deflector that directs smoke straight down into our garden (It's been knocked sideways by ?) .It was really smokey the other day - I did hope for a fire! She also has an open fire on which she burns ... wood.Her central heating boiler flue, which erupts at about 05.00, is in line with my bedroom window, well away from her bedroom. She is a 'difficult' neighbour. We live on the outskirts of a country village, with open aspects, and no smoke restrictions, unfortunately, almost all of the residents now have wood burning stoves + open fires (wood), so we get the 'benefit' of smoke from all directions in the winter months, (and, YES, alsofrequently down OUR flue. Fortunately, the garden is moreorless long enough for me to relocate washing line in winter months - wood smoked laundry is NOT hygge. We also have a bonfire merchant who builds really high (3 to 4m) fires which he then lights, at night, when the wind is blowing onto our properties.
kippered - 18-Feb-17 @ 4:34 PM
Good luck to anyone who thinks they can do anything about this very public nuisance. I hope they put their success stories here on this forum for us all to see. The chimney opposite me has sent out plumes of smoke all day again, billowing out into now a pall of horizontal smoke hanging everywhere in the mist, so many days have been foggy recently, or is this actually smog?? As soon as I open my front door the stink of smoke assails me, even if I don't open the door, I can still smell the smoke and sooty smell in my bathroom, and other rooms . The little cat from next door had been left out in it and has come into me for refuge, unfortunatly I have to go out and so she will have to go out into it to have to sit in it breathing it all in, when she already has a heart and lung condition and came in smelling strongly of smoke, her owners often just leave her out in it and don't seem to realise that it is bad for her to have to breathe it in, so that is a worry for me as well, I have chest problems and have the usual tightness and coughing I get this time of year. I directed the MP to this forum about a couple of years or more ago, but was palmed off by the local environmental dept who really don't want to hear anything more from me about smoke as they are not prepared to do anything. A planning officer told me a few yrs ago that if the chimney had been built today it would be against regulations as it is far too short but that as it has been in place for so many years it is too late to do anything about it on those grounds. The people who lived there previously did not use the chimney so there wasn't a problem. Even if on top of the house though it is still a nusiance and worry, as evidenced by the chinnmey on the house adjoining my friends house, all the smoke ocmes into his garden all washing smells of smoke and I used to be able to sit there doing bird counts for the BTO, all this is very difficult now because of the smoke so it is all falling by the wayside.Something must be done about the nuisance from chimneys on houses and the polluting smoke.
Rose - 30-Jan-17 @ 6:13 PM
Our neighbours here at North Hykeham (smokeless area) have been filling the close with smoke since early December 2016.They have had a wood burning heater installed. Their garden is piled with stuff that gets cut up every Sunday. Kitchen cabinets, fence posts, plywood, painted wood. Basically anything that burns. They are fully aware of the smoke and smell they produce but aren't prepared to do anything about it. I hate living here now. Every time I step out of the house I smell smoke. When things are bad it makes my clothes smell too. I was really pleased when I spoke to some of the neighbours recently that they are affected by the smoke and smell too. I've contacted the Environmental Health who are now "looking into it" but from what I have read on this site they won't do anything. I thought the photo's I sent of the piles of chipboard and painted wood from the neighbours garden would have prompted a house visit as these produce highly toxic fumes / particles when burnt..... but no, the horrible stink is still going on. I've done a bit of research and it seems that taking them to court will be the only way to deal with this. This was actually mentioned on a council website. So I sympathise with all of you that are affected by the smoke. And to the person that produces smoke from their "approved appliance" for 10 minutes after it is lit. How dare you even think that is alright. For the 10 minutes that you filling the air with nasty smoke stand down wind of your chimney and breath that in. Go on, see how we feel!
Smoke watcher - 13-Jan-17 @ 8:52 PM
there is always some problem with comments not displaying properly here, and now, the coment I just made had the end missing, oh well,what it said was:I wish something would change for the better now.while we are all still here to benefit from it.
Rose - 6-Jan-17 @ 5:28 PM
I cannot find the older comments here now, unless that wasa different thread, oh well, Anyhow, I see all this is still going on, which I suppose is good as hopefully the more complaints, the more likely something will be done, Sadly, the real problem is, too many people , and more importantly, too many people in too close proximity to everyone else. In my area, quite a poverty stricken place it has to be said, smoke from chimneys is getting worse and worse, a friend of mine with emphysema had got worse recently as a result of a neighbour suddenly starting to use a wood burner, my friend is now dead. He died just before Christmas. No doubt the people with the wood burner had a good Christmas in front of their wood burner, no idea at all they had contributed to my friend;s death through the worsening of his condition which then brought on the exsaserpation that killed him. My windows haven't been opened for years because of the low chimney opposite me which every day sends smoke out intp the air, recently I had to ask another friend to come and help me with my side gate, he was so affected by the smoke coming straight up the path from the chimney opposite he refused to do anything and left as it was making his eyes sting and irritating his throat, also next door to me is a little cat with lung problems, she comes into my house stinking of smoke and coughing badly, my friend who refused to help with the gate because of the smoke (I don;t blame him) also has problems from his neighbours who are joined on to his house,they use a wood burner for their central heating and the smoke ocmes down into his garden, clean washing stinks of it, my hair and clothes always smell of smoke, - when I go into a cafe I feel I have to apologise for smelling of smoke , this happens everywhere now, not just in my local area, everywhere I go there is the smell of smoke in the air coming from somwhere. I also worry about all the trees being cut down to provide the 'fuel' for these things, I know someone here was complaining about trees but really we need more trees to absorb some of this dreadful pollution, trees are our friends and if they were to all disappear, so would we! Please, we are merely part of the natural world, we cannot destroy the environment and still exist, we would all be gone too. Yet more and more front gardens being destroyed and gravel being put down instead, it is dreadful, so despressing. Too many people, too many people too close, and too many ignorant people, really ignorant and uncaring, and that is the main problem. The local environment dept don't even want me contacting them anymore, take no notice of anything i say, don;t care about the smoke, don't care about the environment being destroyed, I directed the MP to this forum a couple of years ago, cannot find the early comments now, but it was all to no avail anyway, nothing changed, but maybe when we are all gone, it will , too late for us though, I wish something would change for
Rose - 6-Jan-17 @ 5:21 PM
smelly - Your Question:
Joiner is burning material in garageChimney that sticks out of roof emitting foul smokeIs this allowed?

Our Response:
You could ask your local environmental health department to investigate this as certain materials cannot be burnt in certain areas.
ProblemNeighbours - 7-Nov-16 @ 2:38 PM
Joiner is burning material in garage Chimney that sticks out of roof emitting foul smoke Is this allowed?
smelly - 6-Nov-16 @ 4:03 AM
hi I posted something about three hours ago and it has been blackballed by the look of it. Basically I was saying that people are getting fed up, putting up with smoke. This is a bad tension for the authoritiesto allow to fester in society.. People who feel frustrated and impotent about accepting smoke into their home may snap. That's my opinion.
baffled its still al - 28-Oct-16 @ 4:10 PM
Nana - Your Question:
I have Copd and dread the winter months when my neighbour has their wood fire on the go ,my lounge stinks like a bonfire and I have no choice but to sit and breathe that in everyday.my conservatory roof is ruined due to tar pitting and every night we go through the ritual of listening to the wood chopping in their lounge.they are slowly killing me with their pollution.their response.we will do what we want in our house.I hate them !!!! What can I do ???

Our Response:
Have you asked the environmental health about this? In general there real fires are allowed in many areas. If your neighbours do not have the correct ventilation/extraction etc, your EHO may be able to impose a notice on them to do so.
ProblemNeighbours - 27-Oct-16 @ 2:03 PM
I have Copd and dread the winter months when my neighbour has their wood fire on the go ,my lounge stinks like a bonfire and I have no choice but to sit and breathe that in everyday ..my conservatory roof is ruined due to tar pitting and every night we go through the ritual of listening to the wood chopping in their lounge ..they are slowly killing me with their pollution ..their response ...we will do what we want in our house ..I hate them !!!! What can I do ???
Nana - 26-Oct-16 @ 10:39 AM
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